I wrote down the name of those 2 products & I'm gonna head to walmart today to check it out!!! if it helps, I'm all for it!!! sounds alot better than having to take some abnormal hormones...I hear they give male hormones to women when they go thru menopause...why don't they do the same to the men when they hit their MENopause, which they certainly do!!??? the things we have to go thru, I tell you!!